Also subsequently one or the other phone connected without them obviously knowing. They make no sense in spite of the speculation. I just would like to know if you see that as well? Also and I am assuming the phones where in their possession the phones actually did acquire a signal some times but clearly they were not being used so they did not know. As soon as I zoomed in, my heart sank for her. I think shes frightened, Not only does it look like her hands are tied behind her back,but if you zoom in on just her,her expression does not look happy at all,and she is looking off to somewhere beside the camera,she isnt even looking at the camera,and there appears to be blood in her hair on both sides of her head and her hair is clearly a mess.maybe this photo was taken after their captured, possibly by whoever captured them. Thanks for sharing this info. Perhaps this stranger had suggested he could guide them on a more interesting trail, or show them something interesting in the jungle. I look forward to learning more and you do valuable humane work helping other young adventurers. I dont really speculate much with psychic readings or energy. This photo has been edited. I think Juan is actively trying to protect this human trafficking agency. For pareidiologists, in the Cave photo on the right just over halfway from Kris head to the edge of the photo there is an arm and hand tied to a tree, and to the right of Kris leg is the sole of a walking boot with a light stripe down the middle. This is speculation. To touch on the disappearance case of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, we can vividly see the incompetence that took place, even under the spotlight of international pressure. Thank you for your consideration. They got lost and succumbed to the wild. Even rainwater gets heavy enough to destroy electronics inside of a backpack yet that didnt happen. Even the bones, the few that remain. https://netherlandsnewslive.com/kris-and-lisanne-went-hiking-in-panama-but-never-left-the-jungle/151903/. The girls were no longer alive after April 2nd latest. I posted a link at Koude Kas of example of Monkeys playing with phones because they were entranced by the flash. Could the red object be a bird? What do you think? Blue is an uncommon color in the rainforest for anything of that size. Regardless of who created it, the fact is that the women made emergency phone calls shortly after they visited this place. 4. Even if that had happened, the skeleton would have been more intact and scratch marks would have been found on the bones. Has anyone thought to look further into the hosts dog (Blue)? Rarely are foreigners targeted for a reason other than pure opportunity. My interest would be to see if its scientifically possible for the official theory to have happened. Their causes of death have never been determined. However, the perpetrators likely wanted the authorities to believe they were taken on the pianista trail. Europe is the world . The dog wasnt in any photos, nor were the girls photographed after their disappearance. I am assuming that the rock painting you refer to is the round orange patch on the right. I too noticed a nose and lips appearing. I read that the dog returned to town in the evening, alone, but I havent seen it in any pictures. Required fields are marked *, I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. Would they really have gone along a dark spooky ravine, which is obviously a dead end, if they were trying to find their way back to Boquete? What is peculiar is that there were no attempts to contact anyone other than the emergency services. Fact. She looks as if her hands are above her head in a way someone would have them if a police officer were to tell them to put their hands above their head. Ive travelled through Central and South America quite a bit and these experiences cant be found elsewhere. Most of the bones were never found. Im curious to know if they had a camera why wouldnt they make a final message for family telling us and them what happened? Maybe the girls did perish deep in the jungle, but that doesnt rule out somebody causing them to get lost. Clearly the trash on the rocks indicates it had active people. Dutch investigators attempted to recover the file but didnt manage to retrieve any data, which suggests that the camera was plugged into a computer and the file was deleted rather than deleted from the camera. Several of the relatives and friends of those visitors to the Quintana Roo who went missing formed a group named "Truth, Memory, and Justice" in an attempt to . In May, a 61-year-old American man went missing and was presumed to have gone overboard while on a cruise through the South Pacific, according to a report from the Australian Associated Press. If you think America is a safe country youre extremely ignorant or niieve. Photoshopping is not hard to do nor is it very tactical as many have proposed here. I could be wrong, but to me this looks like it could be a hunting device of sorts, like a pit/catch trap. The remains of two American women who went missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama a month ago have been . They know that youre supposed to find a river, so they set out in search. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. Here is the comparison: And that looks to be a stocker style stand. Agreed the thing on the tree trunk looks man made but even if it is it is not sinister. Hi Oliver, I do believe that theres enough evidence to conclude that some of the photos were graphically edited (photoshopped) but I dont think this photo was manipulated. Much information is second hand. The internet does not have the most crucial information about the case. On one hand, its more liberating and freeing. In the yellow circle could be just a leaf, but not in the red one. Does anyone see what I see? No Chris, I assure you, police investigations are routinely botched like this in the third world. Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. Despite these . But dogs in Latin America tend to roam around and go wherever they want theyre very free here. The students' phone records also tragically revealed how they desperately tried to call the police. There are shots of them exploring the jungle on April 1 which appear to show that all is well. The science can speak for itself. In Latin America, it is as common as drinking coffee. I think this photo in particular is odd. There are some walls of rock in an area which I think is called los Naranjos, not too far from the Pianista trail (relatively speaking) and is where people go climbing. There was one person that said that the dog left with them when they set out on their hike. & is that some sort of an entrance to a cave or another makeshift structure shes crouching to take a look inside- or is a part of the trail in that spot purposefully made lower & narrower in order to pass through? Slight left and up from the girl. I know if I was hiking and wandering in the jungle (and presumably possibly lost although not quite realizing this at this point), I would be curious about a manmade structure like this. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, were hiking near the town of. Apparently this villager travelled abroad, adopted extremist Christian views, returned home and started a cult in his own village which resulted in human sacrifices of other locals. It was taken on the Continental Divide exactly 14 minutes and 12 seconds after their photos at the Mirador. People claiming the floor is made out of skulls, that there is a booby trap above her head, that there are 5 men with rifles watching her, that there are snakes hanging down, that she is at some sort of human sacrificial alter etc. Progress is slow because at least one of them has a cut tendon. There are flaws in the manipulations, such as the photo timeline, the inconsistent resolutions, the missing photo (or video), the red lines on the shirt, incorrect shadow positioning, etc. Hi Jim, I appreciate your comments but please lay off the language of calling people fools. A man and a woman. Hi Chris, i uploaded the photo to show what i see. and happened to Kris that would explain why Lisannes phone was first one used to make an SOS call. I believe one fell. Do we know who owned the dog named Blue (aka Azul). If you look at her shirt, it appears to be red and white striped. I think someone took them there. 1. https://www.laestrella.com.pa/nacional/141020/of-piece-medical-studies-examiner. I speculate about potential reasons. Hi Em, thank you. Forced disappearance. The simplest explanations are most likely to be the correct explanations. I think the night photos were taken by individuals who found the device and were not familiar with the camera, perhaps never seeing a camera before. Incredible work and interest- level regarding the fate of these human spirits. The rock in the riverbed is very distinctive was this location ever found and explored? If there are documented river paths, this could be a way to find that exact same location. That does not make sense if they were genuine. But in numerous case there are adverse priorities that lead to incompetence in disappearance investigations. This was cleverly planned, and the murderer(s) have done this before. In the days following the students' disappearances, authorities conducted footand aerial searches. Perhaps it was created by locals in the region. Ironically enough, several of those men were also murdered shortly after. Disturbing evidence also showed there were a number of failed attempts to unlock Kris' phone - sparking another theory that Kris had died and Lisanne was frantically trying to access her phone to get help. Teams investigatedfor 10 days; their hunt scaled down on April 14, 2014, though continued on for 10more weeks. The structure at the back of this small ravine looks like a hideout that a military man might make, as part of survival training in the jungle. He believes he is working for God. Likelihood the predator will strike again: 99.9% unless predator has died. Kris was not happy with the situation and was just going along and not looking too cheerful in the pictures. In this case, I dont believe it was incompetence alone. As the effort wore on, they enlisted the help of the Wisconsin-based volunteer search and recovery organization Bruce's Legacy and set up a GoFundMe to help defray the costs of bringing the nonprofit to Panama. Because of thedark, the pairmight have usedthe camera flash as a light sourceor to scare away animals. No chance. If the Calderas photo is genuine as you believe, then I sadly think the two girls were killed shortly after by the two young men (and possibly the taxi driver), and the police knew and bumped the lot off. I think they were lost. Nice investigation. And theyre gaining steam in recent years. Shortly after this, they became victims. Whatever happened and if it did not include a third party must have been serious and traumatic because we live in selfie times and as can be seen from their earlier fotos they were in the selfie zone. Froon and Kremers were both in their early 20s; they traveled to Panama to work with children. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9 Yes the dog was owned by Giovanni and Doris, the owners of Il Pianista Restaurant. I wouldnt give mine out to my best friend, not even to my wife. However, amiscommunication led to them arriving in Boquete too early for their program, which Kremersnoted was "rude and not at all friendly" in a diary entry. The police, the media attention, the suspicions on him. Thanks and cheers. Shes just exploring. Like local tribesmen. Its interesting to hear that you are considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. That and the deleted photo make me for first time in my studies of this incident start to suspect foul play, but well never know. Yes, the photo data was manipulated. The illusion of her being tied and in distress is nothing more than that. Have you managed to obtain a copy? The back of the shirt was soiled (you interpret). The original plan had been for them to disappear without a trace, like so many other people in that part of Panam, but when the reward money was offered, they decided to fabricate a narrative in which the two girls had mysteriously lost their way on the trail. Her face is swollen from being hit, her neck is bleeding, multiple cuts all over plus you can see someone sitting on ground behind her watching. Kriss bones had unnatural traces of phosphorus. So many clues in all these pictures. Hands tied behind her back, face looks a bit puffy too, as if been in an altercation of sorts. Something I hadnt noticed before until I could see the photos upclose, (the one where she is hunched over) is that her face looks distorted; it doesnt look like her almost as if its some kind of mask. They usually drown their victims, hit and run car accidents, or just disappear the victim, etc anything that ensures theres no obvious intent to the police. If you follow down from the two red objects, there appears to be something that looks almost like blocks or siding shingles. Another case that comes to mind is the case of Holger Hagenbusch: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/holger-hagenbusch-a-disturbing-murder-and-exposed-coverup-in-mexico/. Where is YNW Melly? Thank you so much for walking the walk. Regarding the photos, I have no idea why they would be taking these, deleted some later and left this one, especially since the ribbed roofing structure is somewhat obvious. But, then again this whole case is pretty unbelievable whether you believe they did or didnt meet foul play. Her hands are not tied. Wow, theres a lot going on in this picture. In the picture of her in the Cave? When I look at the picture I think I can see both her arms. And one of the branches near the middle appears to have scales or a pattern not natural to a tree branch. I havent seen any discussions on this. Lisanne would gave definitely called her mother AT LEAST ONCE because, listen to this this is from her own diary written just two days before their disappearance: Eventually theyll have to confront these issues or nobody will visit and expats/immigrants/investors will leave. Also we are in the realms of Hollywood if we need such a calm and calculating mind at work other than those of the girls to abduct and or kill them and then orchestrate a smokescreen. The land behind her is definitely at a higher level and could be rock. There is one thing I have wondered about, when did the dog leave them? You can find more information about on this article: https://imperfectplan.com/2021/02/24/kremers-froon-new-case-data-timestamps-of-missing-daytime-photos/. It took us quite some time to get there.". Political corruption runs rampant, depending on the community, which has a cascading effect on law enforcement and local crime. Or if they went, they could have been followed by someone the murderer (or murderers). If you zoom in on the picture, I noticed that her face almost seems distorted, almost as though it was swelled up? Im just pointing out some peculiar things worth noting. There was enough evidence in this investigation to solve the case and possibly find Kris and Lisanne while they were alive. I also think those girls probably already perished before the dates on those daytime photos. On closer inspection this and the cave photo appear heavily manipulated. Much, much more revealing. The following insight will make not make much sense to you if you dont know their story. if both then was the other found in their room? Image 505 is actually the last image before the night photos. ABC News had previously reached out to the U.S. Embassy in Panama for comment but did not receive a response. Links that require download are high-risk by their very nature, so please consider uploading your media to a website like imgur.com or a similar alternative. After any incident the first 24 hours are critical and it seems all that time was lost. If you are sending an SOS message then they are received 24 hours a day. Also, where did learn that her brother mistakenly put the hair photo online? In Latin America, gangs, cartels and human traffickers work very effectively in unison to carry out organized crime. Does anyone know what the orange string is on the left of the photo? Keep the ideas flowing guys. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. Numerous families of disappeared family members have contacted me from my writing and the following is nearly always the sentiment they convey: Local authorities are unreliable, careless, slow to respond, even slower to take action, and they often hinder the familys own investigations. Like you, I also live abroad in a developing country. After a second look, I found that the Yahoo article specifically states that it was 17 foreigners belonging to another sect, but Yahoo was somewhat unclear Foreign can have a lot of meanings in this context. Tuesday morning, Velleman and Borries were recovered from inside the plane, according to Albert Lewitinn, a representative for the Velleman family. Almost like some picture had been there and this posted over or just strange, almost satanic looking things. Thanks for any information you can provide. Theres not a lot of information about the gangs in the Boquete area. If you track the photos she takes her hair down around when she reached the top of the mountain and there are photos taken shortly after this showing her to be fine, in good spirits even. Again NO SIGNAL! Hundreds! I could go on and on. I think your initial analysis of the photo is spot on. I think investigation isnt the correct word. I find it really creepy, but maybe Im looking at it wrong due to shadows and light. From my own gutt feeling I see only a very preventable accident. It will be interesting to see where the photos were actually taken. Where are those Pings? Im impressed how you were able to see the other things in the photo. Should have read this before I commented lol. Hi Anna, youre casting a wide net when you say If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist.. Despite the heat and humidity, Panamanians wear long pants and closed-toe shoes. If someone had access to their phones, they might have deleted them. Both of these photos were photoshopped! Are you familiar with the Koude Kaas blogs about this case? Or perhaps its an offshoot from the trail along a natural gully that leads to a dead-end? Also, it wouldnt make sense if Lisanne didnt know Kris password. Some suggest that they could they have seen something that they didnt want the rest of the world to see. The consumption of Ayahuasca as a religious experimental drug is becoming very common in different countries. I dont believe that anything ominous is happening to Kris in this specific photo. ?If they were attacked by people immidiately after this, how they took the photos?? And if suspects were clicking photos, and knew how to operate a smartphone, they would not return the phones. Im very curious what your experience is living in Latin America, because generalizations like your statement are certainly inconsistent with many disappearance stories and law enforcement activity here. If one or both of the phones were missing, it would have generated more questions. Theres a red cord tied around her waist that wasnt on her in any of the other photos. Fortunately, I have that ability. Of course, nobody knows exactly why things happened. However, I cannot say for certain because I do not know why the owner would fabricate this part of the story. "For now, however, this finally marks the beginning of our grieving process and provides us with a path to closure.". Yes, exactly. It looks as if there is a guy standing off the edge in the tunnel. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kris+and+lisanne++finanli. Vittorio Caruso. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. Why are you not sharing their photo number, why are you stating generalities, let me help you, there is a link with all the photos https://koudekaas.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-disappearance-of-kris-kremers-and_11.html What is clear is that on that fateful day the girls went out for a short hike and never came back. The first all the black area behind her was blackened and smudged. Its sad because Panama is a beautiful country with a lot of wonderful people. They were only 2 weeks into their trip and only on their 4th day in Boquete so they were innocents abroad and would have been broadcasting that to all who cared to look. While I was reading over the story again, I decided to review their photos one more time. Hi Chris, great work by you on this. Hi Chris, and thank you for your nice comments! The gangs in Panama are much smaller, usually consisting of between 5 and 30 people. I cant explain the calls or photos or intact skin that was found. But without DNA samples, finger prints, etc, its hard to prove anything. Most dog owners here do not use a leash when walking their dogs. Hi Nick, yes I would agree that the red object above is just decaying plant material. Meanwhile, on April 2, 2014, the pairmissed their appointment with their hired tour guide. Why no video diary? I think murder is quite likely. However there appear to be yellowish/beige shadows and it looks like a sandstone cliff. Take care if you do go over there. Foul play is very likely. You said it seems to me that they want to destroy the investigation I agree with you that it seems intentional to some degree. Constance Marten seen leaving court after appearing before magistrates charged with manslaughter of baby, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon blow each other a kiss in dock before court hears dead baby was found in bag in shed, Mum identified after dead baby is found on Canford Heath, Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO). Especially the one where Kris is holding a water bottle 30-40ft from the photo-taker. The limited number of attempts especially on the first day is very strange. So this photo may possibly offer more insight into the story. They keep trying to call emergency. The last half either had a wrong password, or simply no password at all was entered. The date read April 1, the day of their fateful hike. In all the other pictures she is always got her arms visible, I find this very odd. This is significant because image 508 was the last photograph of them where they werent in any trouble. Years later, some people still believe someone killed the pair. Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. The families of both Froonand Kremers also became concerned when they didn't get a usual check-in call. She looks disorientated almost. It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. The dog came back, but the young women didn't. They talk as if it would be difficult to branch off the trail, but maybe they did not notice other paths that could have been taken? I wish we had the answers to your questions. And the police know who it is, but will not say anything. It is also possible that an unknown person, possibly the one responsible for the girls deaths, deleted the file for some reason but not the others on the card with a laptop in the middle of the jungle. Theres a circular object hanging to the left of Kris. Their bodies were located after more than 690 hours of searching. Please note: Our team is committed to accuracy of information and respecting the privacy of those involved with this disappearance case. Yes theres a man to her left crouched down wearing beige/ beige/ brown. the only strange element in this photo is the distance. After this, can ANYONE IN THIS WORLD still doubt that this girl WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN OR PHONED HER MOTHER FOR TWO WEEKS when she also called the police 100 times? It could help shed more light onto the possible answer to the mystery. I dont think there was actual foul play. Would the girls really be so far apart in dense jungle? Ive seen cases in which political frenemies were erased out of photos without a trace.
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